Curse

Grammar · Aug 09, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

So I was looking at the new Eye of the North skills today, and am finding myself pretty unimpressed overall (not even close to the Nightfall skills when they first came out).

That said, Cure Hex is definitely one of the few that caught my eye.

Remove one Hex from target ally. If a Hex was removed, that ally is healed for 30...102 Health.
5, 1, 12 (Healing Prayers)

The energy cost and recharge are on par with the other hex removers, but this one gives you a nice unconditional heal on top of the hex being removed. On paper, this skill sounds freaking sweet.
The biggest problem with it, of course, is that it's stuck in Healing Prayers, which sucks for prot builds and hybrid builds with Gift of Health.
But I imagine LoD and Boon builds would jump all over this skill as a replacement for Holy Veil, at least for PVE and certain areas of PvP, am I right?

Div · Aug 09, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Yes, this is one of the skills that anet has added to try to promote healing prayers. You lose the ability to pre-veil someone, but you gain very nice healing, regardless of it's a healer or a hybrid bar. This'll definitely be superior to smite hex in NR team builds.

Stormlord Alex · Aug 09, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Yeah, I'm thinking of chucking this on a LoD bar.

Healing Prayers as a whole doesn't seem attractive enough to run purely though, still.

moko · Aug 09, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

should definately go into any PvE non gift bar, probably a nono everywhere in PvP, veil is too good, except for NR teams of course.

Grammar · Aug 10, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

UPDATE: Reverse Hex just got buffed.

Remove Hex: decreased casting time to 1 second; increased recharge time to 8 seconds.

So now it finally has a 1 second cast like the other hex removers, but the recharge is 4 seconds less. Veil probably still wins in PvP, but isn't this skill (along with Cure Hex in some builds) the new hex remover champion in PvE?
I mean, there isn't much pre-veiling going on in PVE, and 4 seconds can make a big difference against hex-heavy mobs.

Thoughts?

Stormlord Alex · Aug 10, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammar

I mean, there isn't much pre-veiling going on in PVE, and 4 seconds can make a big difference against hex-heavy mobs.

Coincidentally, the majority of PvE monks are bad.
Pre-veiling owns the shit out of stuff in PvE just as much as it does in PvP.

olly123 · Aug 10, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

it will beat smite to the top hex remove but yes like you said it will win in PVE but lose to veil in PVP cos of the pre veil part, but really thats all there is to it

Age · Aug 10, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammar

UPDATE: Reverse Hex just got buffed.

Remove Hex: decreased casting time to 1 second; increased recharge time to 8 seconds.

So now it finally has a 1 second cast like the other hex removers, but the recharge is 4 seconds less. Veil probably still wins in PvP, but isn't this skill (along with Cure Hex in some builds) the new hex remover champion in PvE?
I mean, there isn't much pre-veiling going on in PVE, and 4 seconds can make a big difference against hex-heavy mobs.

Thoughts?

What skill are you talking about here Reverse or Remove.I for the most part am a PvE Monk and I use Viel in tough areas although I hate hexes I prefer conditions.I can see cure hex being on a good heal/smite build with smite condition.

Grammar · Aug 10, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Yes, Remove Hex, sorry for the mistake.

moko · Aug 11, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

i'd run Cure Hex on LoD hybrid and Remove Hex on Hybrid Prot bars w/ Gift in PvE.

Pre-Veil is actually horrible in PvE, imo.

Grammar · Aug 11, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Yeah, I don't pre-veil much in PvE either.

Still, I like Veil in PvE for its synergy with Dismiss Condition, on account of how often you'll have a teammate with both a hex and a condition on them (cast Veil -> cast Dismiss -> remove Veil).

I'm still debating if the 4-second-quicker recharge on Remove Hex is worth losing the above-mentioned combo.

ShadowStorm · Aug 16, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

The only thing I pre-veil for in PvE is when I'm running a faction farm quest or rushing to another outpost in Tyria.

Melody Cross · Aug 16, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

PvE and PvP, I think this is going to be a regular hex removal. Making red bars go up is almost always a good effect and hexes have become as rampant as conditions in PvP play, only a little less overspammed in PvE, so you know you'll be getting the heal effect regularly.

But while I like this skill, I really can't wait to try Spotless Mind. The fire and forget aspect of that skill could make it rival veil for combating hex stacks and the cast time just screams "put me on the LoD infuse!!!" In PvE, SM will be equally powerful and provide a solid buff to power DKiss too.

GGs

Div · Aug 17, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I can easily see this appearing on the LoD bar in PvP while the prot monk carries the veil (for pre-veiling purposes). In a PvE hybrid bar, this skill will still be pretty nice compared to remove hex depending on the attribute spread. That extra burst of healing with the ability to use it effectively with a 40/40 set makes it very juicy

thor hammerbane · Aug 25, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

I loves it. Will be on my every single pve heal bar

plasmasword · Aug 26, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

the hexing in some of the dungeons is so bad i put it on every one of my heroes

Age · Aug 27, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

The only place in PvE where Viel is or could be used is in running builds as I don't use it much.I prefer conditions to hexes.I would probably use divert in PvP hex heavy team.

lazuli · Sep 11, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

just need to point out that heal bonus with Cure Hex can't be augmented by Healer's Boon {e}; i'd certainly bring CH on a LoD build though.
(usually ignore hexes in pve, ele hero has extinguish, and got a prot monk to clean up the rest. if i really wanted hexes out of the equation, i'd use a healer hero and use mo/me Sig of Removal bonder)

azizul1975 · Sep 12, 2007, 06:18 AM // 06:18

i like this one better :

[skill]Blessed Light[/skill]

All in one.

Dr Strangelove · Sep 12, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

For PvE, it's really between this and remove hex for the shorter recharge.

If you're speccing healing prayers without gift, there's no real reason not to bring it, as the 4 seconds of extra recharge isn't a huge problem in PvE anyway. Hex spamming enemies are few and far between, and the healing saves you a lot of energy.

Preveiling isn't so hot in PvE because you never have some jerk mesmer chasing you around with diversion or migraine. Even if you do get one of those on you, it's really easy to take a few steps back and remove it, no one will interrupt you, or just ignore it.